Extreme climate variation

[circe]

Ok- climbing on my soap box here. If you're going to argue with the scientist, at least do some literature review and then come at me! 

Here's some great links to read articles that have been peer reviewed by scientists-
'Little Ice Age' summer temperature variations: their nature and relevance to recent global warming trends
Global temperature trends to 2012



Comments by the Weather Channel



An entire book dedicated to climate: 
The Warming Papers (2011)

[ComradeCommissar]

Exactly - just because we have a cold snap does NOT mean that the global climate change trend is suddenly reversed, and correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't warming have an effect on the flow and distribution of cold air fronts from the arctic?

[circe]

If the northern region increases in temperature, the air movement is going to come further south. It's related to the atmosphere and the build from the ocean circulation as well. 

Continuous warming will eventually lead to extreme freezing. The thermohaline system will shut down. That transports cold water from the northern pacific to the warm equatorial water to the atlantic. That is why England/France has climate similar to Oregon/Washington because it delivers warmer weather. But if ice continues to melt in the pole, it dilutes the mixed density water (cold on bottom, warm on top) which mixes, forcing this oceanic belt to stop moving. When it stops moving, it will start the next ice age (man impacted like the little ice age or larger scale up to snow ball earth). 

A lot of people have been saying "The Day After Tomorrow" and in a sense, that's what would essentially happen. Only it would take years and not days. 

[allie]

I think what is really frightening, and that the average misinformed person misses, is the immediate impact this is now causing, and will continue. I am referring to the drought, flooding, and loss of crops, land, and entire harvests form the food producing states of this country. More reason to begin to learn about indoor or other controlled environment food production like aquaponics gardening, green houses, and such.



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[Noah]

Guys (please... Context, "Guys" for my purposes is an ALL inclusive and 100% gender neutral)

(CAVEAT:I am just an average guy, I haven't devoted my time to reading on climate science, and I'm probably not going to, so if you won't talk about this from a preppers perspective then I'll bail on the thread and leave you to it, fair enough?)

Without regard to all the pro/con "literature" out there and political arguments either way, I'm not delving into that argument, it's a complete non starter from either perspective unless you agree with whomever you're talking with, from my exp. any political discourse becomes quickly laden with political land mines to even discuss rationally for most folks, so I try not to engage on that level. Well, other than to ask the single following question:

"Does your concern for man made climate change include "HAARP", "Chemtrails" "nuclear testing" or other direct "manipulation" of our climate? If so, then I'm thinking we have something to discuss, (and quick), given that there is little publicly known "science" (that I'm aware of) on the effects of this type of interference/testing in the natural world. This from what I've seen has had some potential for dramatic and immediate negative impacts on our climate.

An aspect of all this that I hope everyone can agree on is "the earth cycles through periods of hot and cold that is driven principly (not entirely) by solar activity" this being separate from and regardless of any impact by man, does that sound right? If in fact that's true then at various points in history, the "Preppers" of the day have to figure out how to survive it. For the purpose of the forum and this thread specifically, that's where I'm thinking we have room for discussion.

Okay, so when we consider the notion that these directly attributable "mankind provided" activities, likely at some point (when I can't name the date, I say "at some point" to specify the variable/unknown detail) cause significant impact to the daily lives of ordinary people, just like every other issue wherein proper preppers feel the need to "prepare", right?

Whether we are taking climate, politics/war, uncivilized unrest, significant Wx event, religion, accident or aliens, we should find ways to work together and get past the root cause and work out how we as people coexist and propel our species into the future. I'd LOVE to work on that and escape the social politics of it all, what do you guys say? Thoughts?

[thedude74]

Dec 24, 2016 8:03:15 GMT Noah said:

Guys (please... Context, "Guys" for my purposes is an ALL inclusive and 100% gender neutral)

(CAVEAT:I am just an average guy, I haven't devoted my time to reading on climate science, and I'm probably not going to, so if you won't talk about this from a preppers perspective then I'll bail on the thread and leave you to it, fair enough?)

Without regard to all the pro/con "literature" out there and political arguments either way, I'm not delving into that argument, it's a complete non starter from either perspective unless you agree with whomever you're talking with, from my exp. any political discourse becomes quickly laden with political land mines to even discuss rationally for most folks, so I try not to engage on that level. Well, other than to ask the single following question:

"Does your concern for man made climate change include "HAARP", "Chemtrails" "nuclear testing" or other direct "manipulation" of our climate? If so, then I'm thinking we have something to discuss, (and quick), given that there is little publicly known "science" (that I'm aware of) on the effects of this type of interference/testing in the natural world. This from what I've seen has had some potential for dramatic and immediate negative impacts on our climate.

An aspect of all this that I hope everyone can agree on is "the earth cycles through periods of hot and cold that is driven principly (not entirely) by solar activity" this being separate from and regardless of any impact by man, does that sound right? If in fact that's true then at various points in history, the "Preppers" of the day have to figure out how to survive it. For the purpose of the forum and this thread specifically, that's where I'm thinking we have room for discussion.

Okay, so when we consider the notion that these directly attributable "mankind provided" activities, likely at some point (when I can't name the date, I say "at some point" to specify the variable/unknown detail) cause significant impact to the daily lives of ordinary people, just like every other issue wherein proper preppers feel the need to "prepare", right?

Whether we are taking climate, politics/war, uncivilized unrest, significant Wx event, religion, accident or aliens, we should find ways to work together and get past the root cause and work out how we as people coexist and propel our species into the future. I'd LOVE to work on that and escape the social politics of it all, what do you guys say? Thoughts?

Hi Noah,
At first glance I thought your post was something I posted earlier. But, after a closer look the spelling and punctuation are much to consistant to be mine. 😏 Well said.